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May 29, 2015

Hord case cited in state audit

This is one reason why registrants MUST get a signed receipt, or copy of, every document or transaction with authorities. File it forever...
5-29-15 Tennessee:

The office of Tennessee Comptroller of the Treasury Justin Wilson has released its reports of cash shortages, caused by theft, fraud or other problems in local government.

One report covers county governments, while the other covers cities and towns, and other government-related agencies such as utility districts.

Hord case

The only finding related to Bedford County was the case of sheriff's deputy Rebecca Hord, who was indicted in 2013 after a cash shortage was found in accounts related to the Sexual Offender Registry. The case was retired earlier this year.

Hord held the rank of captain before she was terminated in 2012 for allegedly driving her county-issued patrol car to Nashville and Kentucky for non-work related reasons and "other non-specified violations of department policy."

According to an investigative audit by the Comptroller of the Treasury released in late 2013, a cash shortage of at least $31,460 was found in 2012 from the sheriff's department's sexual offender registry office (SOR). The investigation covered the period Jan. 1, 2006, through Dec. 31, 2011.

Poor or no records

After Hord was fired, the new SOR questioned a sexual offender regarding $150 in fees the database said he owed. The offender presented a generic, unofficial receipt documenting the payment, but the department had no record and could not trace it to a deposit.

Several receipts from sexual offenders also could not be traced to the accounting records of the department, or to the SOR, the audit reported, and an investigation was initiated.

From 2006 to 2011, at least $42,198 should have been collected, and due to the condition of the records, there could have been more sexual offenders who were required to report to the department that auditors could not determine.

Four documents submitted by Hord to the TBI indicated that the offenders were indigent and could not pay their required registration fee. However, all four had paid, and former sheriff Randall Boyce told auditors that his signature on those documents was forged, appearing to be photocopied.

No reports

The audit also indicated that sexual offenders were not required to report to the sheriff's department in person, in violation of state law, and that the sheriff's department did not inquire as to why a sexual offender either quit reporting or stopped paying the administrative fee.

At the same time the criminal case against Hord was retired, attorneys on both sides asked that a wage and hour and discrimination lawsuit by Hord against the county, the sheriff's department and Boyce be dismissed.


The state's 95 counties began the last fiscal year with $775,221 in cash shortages that had not been recovered. During the year, $675,742 worth of new shortages were detected. Counties were able to recover $661,981 through restitution payments, insurance claims or other means. That left a net unrecovered shortage of $788,981 at the end of the fiscal year.

For the cities, town and agencies, fiscal year 2013 began with $1,640,277 in unrecovered cash shortages. During the year, $4,485,021 in new shortages were detected. A total of $4,932,640 was recovered during the fiscal year, leaving an unrecovered shortage of at least $1,154,633 as of June 30, 2013.

Thefts continue

"These reports show why Tennesseans should join our office in helping make government work better," Wilson said. "I am pleased to note the continuing efforts to recover substantial amounts of public money, but theft remains a problem. I encourage all government leaders to follow auditors' recommendations and take the necessary steps to prevent fraud, waste and abuse of public money."

Both reports provide explanations of how the shortages were discovered, methods used to steal the money, corrective steps taken to prevent future thefts and legal actions taken against those responsible. ..Source.. by T-G STAFF REPORT

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May 28, 2015

This woman is trying to stop juvenile sex offenders — by helping them

5-28-15 National:

Elizabeth Letourneau is one of the country's leading experts on sex crime — why it happens and whether there are better ways to stop it. She focuses in particular on juvenile sex offenders: people who commit a sex crime before they turn 18. This is an important group to understand in the fight against child sex abuse. Juvenile sex offenders perpetrate approximately one-third of sexual offenses against minors.

They are also are more likely than adult offenders to commit crimes against younger victims. That's why it's so important to figure out the most effective ways to treat them. Understanding what makes them offend and intervening in innovative ways can protect other kids.

As the director of the Moore Center for the Prevention of Child Sexual Abuse at Johns Hopkins University, Letourneau has devoted her career to trying to do just that. Letourneau and I spoke recently about why adolescents commit sex crimes, and how to stop sex abuse before it happens. ..Continued.. by Sarah Kliff

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May 27, 2015

State drops charges against Hampden woman accused of running over sex offender

5-27-15 Maine:

NOBLEBORO, Maine — All charges were dropped May 12 against a Hampden woman who was arrested in March for allegedly running over her boyfriend, a convicted sex offender, with a car after she caught him allegedly attempting to sexually assault a 12-year-old girl.

Linda F. Currier, 53, of Hampden was arrested March 29 in Nobleboro and charged with Class B aggravated assault and Class C aggravated criminal operating under the influence.

A fight had allegedly ensued between James Oliver, 48, of Hampden and formerly of Nobleboro, and Currier after she walked in on him allegedly attempting to sexually assault a 12-year-old girl, according to a March 31 news release from Lincoln County Sheriff’s Lt. Michael Murphy.

“The fight continued outside where Currier allegedly ran over Oliver with a car,” Murphy wrote. “All adult parties at the residence had apparently been drinking at the time.”

Currier allegedly called 911 to report she had hit Oliver with her car, according to court documents.

When Lincoln County Sheriff’s Deputy Aaron Beck arrived at the home, he “located a man partially under a car and a woman standing over him with blood on her hands,” according to Beck’s affidavit.

The woman identified herself as Currier and allegedly “said that she wanted to kill the man,” Beck wrote.

Oliver was taken to LincolnHealth Miles Campus and later to Maine Medical Center for treatment of a serious but not life-threatening injury to his leg, and was arrested upon his release March 30, according to Murphy’s news release.

“The young girl did not receive any injuries requiring immediate medical attention and was taken from the scene and cared for by her family,” Murphy wrote.

Currier said she and Oliver had been dating for approximately one year, according to Beck’s affidavit.

The charges against Currier were dropped on May 12 after a grand jury declined to indict her, according to court paperwork.

Oliver, however, was indicted by the grand jury May 12 on charges of attempted gross sexual assault, Class B; two counts of unlawful sexual touching, both Class D; and violation of sex offender registration, Class C, all allegedly occurring on March 29.

According to the indictment, Oliver has a number of previous convictions, including rape in 1990, sexual abuse of a minor in 1989, unlawful sexual contact in 2011, assault in 2006 and violation of sex offender registry in 2011.

Oliver is due to be arraigned on the charges at 8:30 a.m. on June 11.

According to a May 14 motion to amend Oliver’s bail filed by his attorney, Jeremy Pratt, Oliver is being housed at the Maine State Prison’s infirmary on $100,000 bail and remains in need of medical care.

The motion seeks to reduce Oliver’s bail to $400. A hearing on the motion is set for May 28 at 8:30 a.m.

Currier’s attorney, Thomas Berry, had no comment, and a call to Pratt for comment was not immediately returned. ..Source.. by BDN Maine

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Alabama GOP Passes Bill Regulating Abortion Clinics Like Sex Offenders

Now where is the bill preventing children from going anywhere near lawmakers? Lest children learn how to misconstrue, and do all those other things lawmakers do to stay in office!
5-27-15 Alabama:

The Alabama house passed legislation Tuesday that would prohibit clinics offering abortion care from being located near schools, charging that children should be protected from anti-choice protests.

Lawmakers, after a two-hour floor debate, passed the bill with a 79-15 vote. Republicans hold a 72-33 house majority.

HB 527, sponsored by Rep. Ed Henry (R-Hartselle), would empower the Alabama Department of Public Health to reject applications or refuse to renew a health center license for facilities providing abortion or reproductive health-care services located within 2,000 feet of a public school.

The anti-choice measure targets the Alabama Women’s Center for Reproductive Alternatives Services, one of five clinics in the state providing abortion care and a longtime subject of the state GOP’s anti-choice regulatory proposals.

The Alabama Women’s Center is located across the street from Edward H. White Middle School. The clinic recently moved to the location after being forced to relocate to comply with the so-called Women’s Health and Safety Act, passed by Republicans in 2013.

The move cost $550,000, according to clinic administrator Dalton Johnson.

Henry said the intent of the legislation was to protect school children against protests from “both sides,” along with displays of graphic signs outside the clinics.

“The kids are being exposed to an element of life that they really don’t need to be exposed to at 4 or 5 or 6 years old,” Henry said, reported the Associated Press. “It’s a volatile atmosphere that our children shouldn’t be subjected to.”

There are no students attending White Middle School, which is vacant and undergoing renovations. The school will open in the fall as a magnet school, serving students in prekindergarten through eighth grade. ..Continued.. by Teddy Wilson

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Troy police consider charges after arson death

5-27-15 New York:

LANSINGBURGH - An autopsy was being done Tuesday on a woman who died recently, weeks after being pulled from a fire in Lansingburgh.

Right now this is an arson investigation. We don't know the results of the autopsy yet, but depending on what they are, someone could be charged in connection with her death.

There is a memorial set up here at the scene for Grace Halpin. Neighbors say they want the people responsible for setting the fire, caught.

The apartment building on Second Avenue is boarded up and vacant now. Authorities say someone used gasoline to set the fire that started in the front of the building in the early morning hours of May 1. At least a dozen people were left homeless by the fire.

Firefighters say Halpin, who was in her 80s, was found in cardiac arrest on the first floor when they pulled her out of the burning building in a dangerous rescue.

Halpin died recently after weeks of treatment.

“She was a sweet lady, I used to talk to her every day, she used to sit out here,” recalled Bill Allen, who lives next door. He remembers the night the fire began.

“I was out late until about two in the morning filming, I like to film the stars. I went in right about quarter after two, two thirty. My dog around three o'clock wanted to go out and I opened the door and all of a sudden, there's fire people everywhere,” he remembered.

Sources close to the investigation say they believe a man who was living in the building may have been the target, and that he's a Level 1 sex offender.

Police say they have video of the beginning of the fire.

Investigators do not believe this fire is related to other suspicious fires that have plagued the neighborhood.

Outside the building on Second Avenue, there is a now a makeshift memorial with flowers and candles. On one bouquet, someone wrote, "To Grace, RIP Angel."

Allen says setting a fire was a cowardly thing to do, and he wants whoever is responsible to be brought to justice.

“We're trying to get out of here now. It's scary. It really is, you know. You kind of sleep with one eye open, one ear open, you know,” Allen admitted.

Police say they will be meeting with the district attorney on Wednesday. ..Source.. by WNYT Staff


Police interview suspect possibly connected to Lansingburgh arson

LANSINGBURGH, N.Y. (NEWS10) – Police have interviewed at least one suspect they believe is connected to a Lansingburgh arson that displaced 13 people.

Firefighters responded to a fire around 2:30 a.m. May 1 at 250 Second Ave. Thirteen people, including three young children, were displaced and an elderly woman nearly lost her life.

Police believe the fire was an act of retaliation against Level One sex offender David DuBois who lived on the second floor with his family.

Security footage taken that morning shows three potential suspects rushing from the building. Two of the suspects were badly burned, according to authorities. Law enforcement sources confirm that one of the suspects was recently questioned about the fire while being treated at a burn center in Syracuse.

Mary Teal lived in the building. “I would say not sad that you are burned and that you need to take time in jail and thin about what you’ve done to all these people,” she said.

No arrests have been made, but they are expected to come soon. by Anya Tucker


Overnight fire in Lansingburgh deemed suspicious

ANSINGBURGH, N.Y. (NEWS10) – A fire that almost claimed the life of an elderly woman and left more than a dozen homeless may have been an act of revenge.

Firefighters responded to a fire around 2:30 a.m. Friday at 250 Second Ave.

One of the many displaced residents, Debra Febra, said she witnessed the fire firsthand and heard a loud explosion. Febra said she frantically knocked on her neighbors’ doors to wake them up.

“We could’ve all died,” she said. “It wasn’t an empty building. We could’ve died. If I wasn’t up watching T.V., I would’ve been dead. My neighbors would’ve been dead. There were babies there. We had an elderly lady that was trapped and she couldn’t get out.”

The American Red Cross and Mayor Lou Rosamilia were at the scene Friday morning to look at the damage and pay respect to those who lost their home.

“If there’s someone of that nature who has total disrespect for human life – and that’s what I see in this situation – if it was an arson, just total disrespect for human life, we are going to work vigilantly; get that person or those involved and put an end to it once and for all,” Rosamilia said.

Officials close to the investigation said the intended target of the fire appears to be a Level One sex offender named David Dubois Jr. He lived on the second floor where the fire started.

Dubois was convicted in 2004 of Sexual Misconduct. Troy police said he was arrested again in January for failing to register.

“I know I heard, ‘You rapist,’” Febra said. “I know I heard that, and I said, ‘What the hell is going on?’ and I saw it go boom! And I said, ‘Oh, my God.’”

Volunteers from the American Red Cross provided emergency aid to multiple families, totaling 13 people. The Red Cross provided financial assistance for food and clothing to ten adults and three children. Volunteers also provided temporary shelter to ten of those displaced by the fire.

“So, yes, I’m angry,” Febra said. “Settle your disputes with the police. Don’t start a fire.”

All residents made it out of the building, but according to Troy Fire Chief Tom Garrett, one woman in cardiac arrest was rescued from the first floor. Crews were able to restore the woman’s breathing, and she was transported to St. Mary’s Hospital. Garrett said she is doing remarkably well and currently recovering.

Troy police said there have been more than a dozen intentional fires in this particular area of Lansingburgh since last July. The unsolved arsons remain a concern for residents.

Authorities said they are continuing to investigate the fire but are not saying if they believe it is related to last summer’s fires.

No arrests have been made. by Carmen Chau, Anya Tucker

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May 26, 2015

Fees offset cost of tracking sex offenders in Hamilton County

Did they apply for and get any GRANTS?
5-26-15 Tennessee:

The Hamilton County Sheriff's Office has spent $37,000 so far this fiscal year to monitor 368 of the county's registered sex offenders, but the office also has received $26,400 from offenders to offset that cost.

The sheriff's office is tasked with checking the addresses of registered sex offenders, ensuring they follow the rules of the registry and registering new offenders.

The revenue comes from an annual $150 fee that every registered offender in Tennessee is required to pay. Of that, $100 goes to a local agency that monitors the offender and $50 goes to the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation.

The money from the fees can be used only on registry-related expenses, said Don Gorman, director of administration at the sheriff's office.

Those expenses often include computer equipment, cameras and overtime for deputies who work special sex offender operations, Detective Mike Cox said. He is the one full-time officer who handles the sex offender registry at the sheriff's office.

The revenue from offenders is also used to replace Cox's car every four or five years, Gorman said. In the proposed budget for the 2015-16 fiscal year, the sheriff's office asks to increase the sex offender registry budget from about $46,000 to $68,000, and that's earmarked for a new vehicle, he said.

"It can only be used by the detective who works in sex offender," Gorman said. "We put 30,000 to 40,000 miles on those vehicles a year, so by five years they're pretty beat up."

Registered sex offenders are also required to check in either quarterly or annually with the sheriff's office. In 2014, deputies took out 93 warrants on sex offenders who violated the registry in some way, Cox said.

Offenders can violate the registry in myriad ways, from failing to pay the annual fee to stepping foot on public school property when children are present.

There are about 567 registered sex offenders in Hamilton County. The offenders who are not monitored by the sheriff's office are tracked by their probation and parole officers. ..Source.. by Shelly Bradbury

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May 25, 2015

Columbia lawmaker pushes for juvenile sex offender registry reform

5-25-15 South Carolina:

COLUMBIA — A South Carolina lawmaker is on a mission to change the way the state treats juvenile sex offenders.

House Minority Leader Rep. Todd Rutherford, D-Columbia, has introduced a bill that would allow teens who have been convicted of any sex offense and have been placed on the offenders registry to petition the courts to remove their names once they turn 21.

The bill stands little chance of becoming law this year with just six days left in the legislative session. But its potential for passing next year would be “absolutely huge” and a “sea change” in the way South Carolina does things, Rutherford said.

“We’ve got to reform our juvenile justice system in South Carolina,” said Rutherford, who added that the sex offender registry is one of his biggest frustrations with the system. “We are condemning people on that registry to a life of nothing.”

Under the bill, a child offender on the registry who was convicted as a juvenile would have to jump through several hoops to get his or her name taken off. That includes being evaluated by a private and state psychologist who would testify in court on the person’s potential of re-offending. The current draft of the bill calls for preventing the person from re-petitioning the court for three years if the request is denied.

The petition can be made regardless of the offense. To allay fears of public safety, Rutherford stressed that older teens who commit a high-level sex offense, such as rape, usually are prosecuted as adults, making them ineligible to apply to be taken off the registry.

Rutherford, a criminal defense attorney, said he is committed to reintroducing the bill until it gets passed to stop “branding children for life as sex offenders.”

“By branding them that early, we have destroyed their lives,” he said. “We’ve got to figure out how to make it better.”

He isn’t alone in his thoughts. Jeff Moore, who represented the South Carolina Sheriff’s Association for more than 30 years before retiring in 2014, said to force a teen who committed a mistake to remain for the rest of his or her life on the registry essentially ends their lives.

“They can count their lives over because no college will accept them,” Moore said. “Applying for a job will be next to impossible. The point is these young people are children. They do things that as adults they wouldn’t do.”

Moore stressed he’s not promoting sexual promiscuity among teens. But the reality is that young people may find themselves with “raging hormones” and “experimenting with their sexuality.” He added that he doesn’t think Rutherford’s idea goes far enough; he’d rather see 21-year-olds automatically expunged from the registry if they have not re-offended.

In 11 jurisdictions, including Georgia and New York, teens adjudicated as committing a sex offense are not required to register as an offender, according to a 2013 report by the international advocacy group Human Rights Watch. Another 20 states have instituted special juvenile procedures or age limits that can end the teen’s duty to register after a certain point, according to the Center for Sex Offender Management.

Numbers on how many South Carolina juveniles are on the registry are difficult to track down because the registry doesn’t differentiate between teens and adults. And numbers on how many adults could benefit from the law are also difficult to attain because the registry does not state if they were convicted as juveniles.

In 2013, Human Rights Watch issued a report on the harm it causes to require juvenile sex offenders to be placed on a registry. The report, authored by Nicole Pittman, detailed how the label causes “long-term public humiliation” and can cause “profound damage to a child’s development and self-esteem.”

An offender, interviewed by phone for the report in 2012 as a 26-year-old and identified only as Christian W., said he went on the registry at 14 years old for inappropriately touching his younger cousin.

“I live in a general sense of hopelessness, and combat suicidal thoughts almost daily due to the life sentence (registration) and punishment of being a registrant,” Christian said. “The stigma and shame will never fully go away, people will always remember. The consequences will always be there even if one could eventually get off the registry.”

Rutherford’s bill faces at least one opponent, however. The state’s chief victims rights advocate, Laura Hudson, said she will fight the current draft of the bill because it does not comply with the federal Sex Offender Registration and Notification Act, commonly referred to as SORNA. The state would lose federal grants for failing to comply with SORNA.

Hudson said she’s OK with having a judge re-evaluate a juvenile sex offender placed on the registry as long as it’s been 10 years since they committed the offense.

“I am very annoyed and will do everything I can to kill it,” Hudson said. “This is about public safety.” ..Source.. by Cynthia Roldan

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Sex offender registry does more harm than good

5-25-15 Michigan:

Michigan's law — and some others across the nation — have come under fire as overly broad, vague and potentially unconstitutional, a Free Press article last Sunday explained. Research also suggests registries do little to protect communities and often create ongoing misery for some who served their sentences and are unlikely to re-offend. Readers mostly agreed:

The Michigan sex offender registry clearly does little to protect the public. People listed on the registry, who are often a low risk for re-offending, are frequently subjected to prejudice and discrimination that makes it impossible for them to become productive members of the community. The registry continues a cycle of punishment for them and their families far beyond the prison sentences they have already served. Many people on the registry not only are unable to obtain housing and employment, but are also subjected to rejection, harassment and even violence.

Enlightened public officials would be well advised to reform the registry so that it lists only truly high-risk persons and only law enforcement can access it. Then, thousands of ex-offenders would be free from the oppression that now defines their lives and have a chance to become productive citizens.

Julian Gordon


How come there is no registry for offenders who kill people, batter their partners, inflict serious bodily harm on others or commit crimes with firearms?

Violent offenders tend to be repeat offenders. Where are our virtuous legislators on this issue? They kill and injure many more people than sex offenders, but there is no violent offender registry.

Mark Dobias


The problems addressed in the article and responses to those problems by our leaders serve as a microcosm to the problems and issues affecting Michigan and the U.S. in general. No longer is there room for open, honest conversation on issues, whether it's a sex offender registry, global warming, health care, racism, violence, transportation, road repair, auto insurance and myriad other issues facing this nation.

Facts, studies and science are largely ignored in favor of touting the long-held beliefs of a party, leadership and personal convictions in spite of contradictory facts or science. This demagoguery on issues has not served the public. It's time for a change in leadership, problem-solving and politics.

Susan Peters

St. Clair Shores

It keeps the paranoid people safe. The rest of us really don't care. Teach your kids how to be safe and to never talk to strangers. Choose to live in safe areas with good schools. Don't be paranoid. It's a sad way to live.

Buddy Osborne


Does Michigan's sex offender registry keep us safer? Absolutely not. It and others of this ilk are simply "feel-good" laws that have been totally abused. They are rushed into existence in an emotional and very political maneuver and are meant to extract revenge on a particular class of criminal.

The broad net that is cast, however, together with today's "zero tolerance" mentality, have meant that they are implemented in unfair and blatantly idiotic ways. They are a maintenance nightmare and virtually impossible to be complied with, even if a person wishes to.

Related: Does Michigan's sex offender registry keep us safer?

Above all that, they are totally ineffective. It gives a very false sense of security. Most everyone knows this, but these are primarily revenge laws, so they remain.

Lyle Bialk


If these people are so dangerous they must be on a list to warn citizens of their existence, why aren't they locked up? If they're safe enough to be in society, why do we need a list at all?

Andrew Leonard


The law, at the very least, alerts us to the presence of sexual offenders in our neighborhoods. If I had to complain about the law, it's the standards as to why a person has to register for indecent exposure, such as peeing outdoors, that can get you on the registry.

Chris Thomas


The real issue here is a lack of forgiveness. People who have appointed themselves as arbiters of "justice," and then get zero-tolerance laws passed that are unjust. The cases shown in this article show why this is a bad law, a law that is cruel punishment and is not about justice, but about revenge. We have too many laws on the books today that are intent on destroying people and are in no way shape or form about seeking justice for actual victims of actual crimes.

Dennis Neylon


Nobody deserves to be punished for their entire life for something that happened when they were a stupid teenager.

Heidi Meyers


I keep hoping our legislators will do something to improve the unacceptable rules that now control the sex offender registry. There is so much injustice as it now stands. Lives have, and will continue to be, ruined unless deep changes are made. Hope isn't going to do it. Courageous action will.

Are our legislators afraid to tackle this important problem? Will making an attempt jeopardize their staying in office or getting re-elected? I surely hope not, but that is how it appears. Please, don't be afraid. Step up and be counted. Let principle win out, not staying in office.

Margaret Betts

Birmingham ..Source.. by Detroit Free Press readers

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May 24, 2015

No discretion for indiscretions

The registry, a political lie! To the public and those required to register thereunder. Changes over time are proof that lawmakers hold nothing sacrosanct, they make changes without regard for who they hurt. Will this unconstitutional ruling result in less harm? History tells us. NO...
5-24-15 Michigan:

Federal judge slams Michigan registry

As Zachery Anderson's case shows, sexual predators aren't the only people found on Michigan's Sex Offender Registry.

But that could change after a recent federal court ruling calling parts of the Michigan law unconstitutional.

American Civil Liberties Union attorney Miriam Aukerman argued the case for a Grand Rapids man on the sex offender registry, though he ended up marrying the underage girl he had sex with. The couple have two children, and being a sex offender has kept him from attending his own children's school events.

Aukerman said the federal judge ruled that the sex offender registry effectively functions as a trap with complex rules that are hard to comply with.

"He said that the exclusion zones (around parks and schools) are unconstitutional and too expansive," she said. "In Grand Rapids, almost 50 percent of the city is off limits in that sex offenders can't work, live or loiter there."

Her view is that the Michigan sex offender registry is too stringent and counterproductive.

"It doesn't distinguish between who's a danger and who's not," she said. " ... If you want law enforcement to monitor those who are at highest risk, you should do risk assessments like other states do. Their registries are smaller and more focused to concentrate on those at highest risk."

She called teen situations such as the one involving Zachery Anderson out of proportion to the offense.

"We're demonizing those who shouldn't be," she said. "When it involves adolescent sexual behavior, people grow up and age out of the behavior. It's time for the Legislature to adopt a common sense approach that targets public safety and focuses on facts and not fear. ...

"One of the problems is that the law doesn't give judges discretion to decide if putting someone on the registry is appropriate."

She said Michigan has the fourth highest number of people per capita on the sex offender registry in the country. She said 80 percent of registrants are on it for life.

ACLU legislative director Shelli Weisberg said Legislative change might not come right away, but she expects major changes to in the next four to eight years.

"There have been some good discussions," she said. "Eight to 12 years ago, no one wanted to talk about it, but there have been some good questions the last five years about whether it's an effective use of taxpayer money and whether it serves public safety." ..Source.. by DEBRA HAIGHT

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